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The emails for this class will be collected on this page, arranged chronologically. Since I send quite a few, you can target it on a specific month by going here:
Date | Email content |
1/8/25 | I am sure that you are finding that break is passing by way too fast, but the semester will soon be upon us and I want to welcome you to the Valuation class. One of the best things about teaching this class is that valuation is always timely (and always fun...) Just as examples:Is Nvidia’s big run over? How much is AI worth? Is Juan Soto really worth $745 million to the Mets? How much value did Lionel Messi add to MLS by playing for Miami? And how about Taylor’s Swift’s effect on the valuations of NFL franchises?
1. Preclass work: I know that some of you are worried about the class but relax! If you can add, subtract, divide and multiply, you are pretty much home free… Seriously, all I need of you is a familiarity with basic finance, accounting and statistics. If you feel shaky, you may want to check out the online classes that I have on accounting, financing and statistics basics:
2. For this class: If you want to get a jump on the class, you can go to the class web page:
As the schedule stands right now, we will meet on Mondays and Wednesdays from 3.3p pm - 4.45 pm in Paulson Auditorium, starting on January 23. I would obviously like to see you in person, if you can male it. However, if you have to miss a class or two, because the classes will be recorded and available on three platforms:
When you get a chance, check it out.
3. Syllabus & Calendar: The syllabus for the class is available on the website for the class and is also linked here:
and there is a google calendar for the class that you can get to by clicking on
For those of you already setting up your calendars, it lists when the quizzes will be held and when projects come due.
4. Lecture notes: The first set of lecture notes for the classes available now.
I no longer make print copies, since you can download the pdf or ppt files, and you can print them if you want. The fi
5. Books for the class: The best book for the class is the Investment Valuation book - the fourth edition just came out, It is obscenely over priced and you can live without it. If you do really want to get a copy and have limited resources, the third edition should be on sale... If you are the law-abiding type, you can buy "Damodaran on Valuation" - make sure that you are getting the second edition. Or, as a third choice, you can try The Dark Side of Valuation, again the second edition, if you are interested in hard to value companies.. Or if you are budget and time constrained, try "The Little Book of Valuation” (though a new edition will be out in about three months). Finally, if you really want to take a leap, try my storytelling book, Narrative and Numbers at
You will find the webpages for all of the books at http://www.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/New_Home_Page/public.htm. If you want a comparison of the books, try this link: http://people.stern.nyu.edu/adamodar/New_Home_Page/valbookcomp.html
6. Valuation apps: One final note. I worked with Anant Sundaram (at Dartmouth) in developing a valuation app for the iPad or iPhone that you can download on the iTunes store: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/uvalue/id440046276?mt=8
It comes with a money back guarantee... Sorry, no Android version yet…
I am looking forward to seeing you in two weeks in class. Let’s hope that the world holds together until then! Until next time!
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1/15/25 | It’s been a week since my last email, and while not a whole lot has happened, I thought I should check in ahead of next week’s class. First, if this is the first email you are reading, then you should catch up with the earlier one, which are available at the link below:
If you are wondering about the logistics (exams, projects etc.), we will start the first class with the syllabus, which will also lay out the themes for the class:
As you go through the syllabus, you will notice mention of a project and you can find the details of that project here:
Once we are through the syllabus in session 1, we will turn to an introductory packet (of about 20 pages). The link to that package is below:
Please have this ready for the first session. The rest of the class will be covered in the lecture note packets, and I sent you the link to the first one last week (but here it is again):
Having drowned you with all of that stuff, let me hit with you some pre-class reading (and I don’t think it is too painful). I don’t do much academic research and am supremely uninterested in writing for an echo chamber. Much of what I have written that is original or different has be initially (at least) on my blog. I spend the first few weeks of each year, talking about the data that I update on my website:
The first update is on my blog and the second one will be up in the next day or two. Please browse through them, because they are relevant for class:
The first class will be a week from today (Wednesday, January 22, from 3.30 pm - 4.45 pm, NY time) in Paulson Auditorium. Please do come, if you can. If you are unable to, the session will be recorded and accessible by later that day. I am looking forward to seeing you next week. Until next time! |
1/21/25 | I hope that this is not the first email that you are getting about this class, but if it is, you may want to check out the previous emails that I sent out at this link:
As for tomorrow, we will meet at 3.30 pm in Paulson Auditorium. I assume that you know where that is, but if you do not, it is the UC level of Tisch (I think the room number is UC 50). I really, really would like to see you in person, but if whatever reason you are unable to make it, this zoom link will put you in the class live:
If you are unable to make the class live, a recorded version will be on YouTube later tomorrow night.
As for what you should bring to this class, bring your syllabus, project description and the Valuation Intro slides (all links available in the webcast page above). |
1/22/25 | Hi,
We are officially rolling. If you enrolled in the class in the last couple of days, you did miss the first two emails but they are already in the email chronicle, in case you are interested:
Email chronicles: http://people.stern.nyu.edu/adamodar/New_Home_Page/eqUGemail.html
This chronicle will be updated at the end of each week to include all emails sent up until then. During the session, I told you that that this was a class about valuation in all of its many forms – different approaches (intrinsic, relative & contingent claim), different forums (for acquisitions, value enhancement, investing) and across different types of businesses (private & public, small and large, developed & emerging market). After spending some time laying out the script for the class (quizzes, exams, weekly tortures), I laid out the philosophical foundations for valuation, by noting that it is a bridge between story and numbers and that it is different from pricing. Next session, we will spend a little time talking about the project that will run through the entire semester, but you can get a jump by trying to find a group and a company (each of you will be doing a company). Here is the project description:
You can also get ahead by doing the following.
Finally, I mentioned my blog, where I dabble in all things finance. If you are interested, I put my thoughts on US equities, leading into 2025 in my second data update for 2025.
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1/23/25 | First things first. The links to yesterday’s class are now fully up and running. If you were not at the class, or mentally absent, please do watch the class. Each week, I will use the Thursday email to prod, nag and bug you about the project. So, without further ado, here is where you should be this first week:
In doing all of this, you will need data and Stern subscribes to one of the two industry standards: S&P Capital IQ (the other is Factset). As Stern students, you should have access to Capital IQ on the Stern Dashboard, but you need to ask for access, I have attached a pdf file that shows you how. Until next time!
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1/24/25 | A few quick notes. The first is that I did put up an in-practice webcast today. It is a very basic webcast on how to read a 10K, using P&G as my example. The links are below: Downloadable video: https://www.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/podcasts/Webcasts/Reading10Knew.mp4
P&G Valuation (excel spreadsheet): https://www.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/pdfiles/eqnotes/PG/P&Gvaluationfixed.xls
It is a very old webcast,and I need to do a newer version, but I am way too lazy.
For those of you who are late to this party, we have run out of beer and chips, but you can read all of the emails that I have sent so far in the class:
If you read them all, it is the equivalent of drinking a six-pack. So, please don’t drive or operate heavy machinery! And if you are under 21, don’t read it at all!
Finally, I sent out the master Google shared spreadsheet for this class, and asked you to fill out whether you are part of a group and the company you have picked. The link I sent you yesterday did not allow you to edit the file, but you can edit this one:
If you do pick a company, and change your mind, it is reversible. It is better to pick a company early, rather than waiting.
My office hours: I know that it is still early in the class and office hours are not on your mind, but they will be soon. Let me start with my office hours, which are scheduled as you know for most weeks from12 pm - 1.15 pm, NY time, on Mondays and from 12 pm - 1.15 pm, NY time, every Wednesday. You are welcome to come by my office at KMEC 9-69, if you have questions, and I would love to meet you in person. If you cannot make it, the office hours will be zoomed and the zoom link is below:
Please remember that people in my office will get first dibs and you may have to wait a while.
TA Office hours and review sessions
You have two TAs for the class and their office hours are below:
Kasha Bhatia, Monday from 12.30 - 1.30
Eleanore (Peiwen) Zeng, Thursdays from 11:00-12:00
They will also offer an in-person weekly review session, from 2 pm - 3 pm every Wednesday, in where they will cover problems from past quizzes and exams, related to the material of the week. They will reach out to you with further details.
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1/25/25 | This is the first week, and you should not be (hopefully) lost yet, but I thought I would start you on the newsletters. The first newsletter is attached, and as you can see, there is very little news. That said, here are some things you should be working on this weekend.
1. Find a group
2. Pick a company
3. Download the introductory slide packet as well as packet 1 for the class.
Have fun the rest of this weekend, because I have diabolical plans to ruin the rest of your weekends this semester.
Attachment: Issue 1 (January 25) |
1/26/25 | My Sunday email usually includes a solution to the weekly challenge, but since we did not have one last week, I will keep this short. This week, we will start by looking at what I call the Bermuda Triangle of Valuation, where bias, uncertainty and complexity conspire to take you down, before starting on looking at the approaches that you can use to put a number on an asset or business. During tomorrow's class, we will start with a test (don’t freak out.. It is not for a grade) by looking at biases that drive valuation outcomes. I have attached the bias test for you to take a look at, and trust me, you will be able to answer the questions even if you have never done a valuation in your life. Until next time! Attachment: Bias test for class for 1/27 |
1/27/25 | Today's class started with a test on whether you can detect the direction bias will take, based on who or why a valuation is done. The solutions are posted online on the webcast page for the class. We then moved on to talk about the three basic approaches to valuation: discounted cash flow valuation, where you estimate the intrinsic value of an asset, relative valuation, where you value an asset based on the pricing of similar assets and option pricing valuation, where you apply option pricing to value businesses. In our discussion of DCF valuation and how to make it work for you, I suggested that there were two requirements: a long time horizon and the capacity to act as the catalyst for market correction. We will start the next class with both the time horizon and catalyst questions, but there is one group of investors that may be able to provide the catalysts for market corrections: activist investors (people like Carl Icahn, Bill Ackman(. If you are interested in getting a sense of who these investors are, take a look at this site, which lists the biggest ones (and the names of the entities that they use as vehicles…
In the meantime, if you have not been getting the emails (and you are checking this on the email chronicles, it is probably because you are checking under the wrong email address. Everyone who takes a Stern class is given a @stern.nyu.edu address, and you may not be aware of it. You can head over to 'start.stern.nyu.edu' to activate your account.You can also go to this website to see how to to h access your emails:
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1/28/25 | It is time for the valuation of the week, and I had initially planned on making it Nvidia. But after an eventful weekend, I will have to revisit my story and valuation for Nvidia, and I promise it is coming in a future week, sooner rather than later. Instead, I am going to do a valuation that may allow you to answer the question I asked most in market interviews: Is the market in a bubble? Is it overvalued? Given there is so froth in this response, I value the S&P 500 index at regular intervals, and at the start of 2025, after two very strong years for US equities, I valued the S&P 500 index and wrote about in my second data update post for 2025:
I am not going to claim that it is scintillating reading, but I don’t think it is that boring, and I would like you to start with that. In the post, I also share the spreadsheet that contains my valuation:
Please download that spreadsheet, and here is what I would like you to do. In the spreadsheet, there are four levers that drive the index value:
If your response is that you really don’t have a point of view, leave the number as is. When you are done, go to this Google shared spreadsheet, and enter your numbers.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ICGB1xcqQHYsiltPq7c2MNbRkuoJlpadpWoaVWdJoiE/edit?usp=sharing
The last column of the spreadsheet will compute how under or over valued you find the market, and the table to the right will give you the crowd judgment. Clearly, with 500 people in the two valuation classes (undergraduate and MBA), that willl be a big crowd, if you chose to partake, but I have also made this spreadsheet open to the public, and the tribe may multiply. It should take just a few minutes of your time, and I think it will be worth it. |
1/29/25 | We started class by completing the discussion of approaches to valuation, talking about pricing and real options, at least in a big picture sense. We then began our intrinsic value discussion by talking about the weapons of mass distraction. If you want to read the blog post I have on the topic, try this link:
We then spent some time setting up the process of discounted cash flow valuation, arguing for consistency in discounting. If the cash flows that you are discounting are cash flows to equity, estimated either as dividends or as potential dividends, the discount rate should be the cost of equity. If the cash flows that you are discounting are pre-debt cash flows, i.e,, cash flows to the firm, the discount rate has to be the cost of capital. Done right, the value of equity should be equivalent with both approaches. We also introduced “The IT propositon’ arguing that for it (control, synergy, AI or ESG) to affect value, it has to affect either the cash flows or the discount rate.
Try the weekly challenge that I will send out on Wednesday, if you do not believe me. Next session, we will start with a discussion of risk free rate, a foundational number that will drive the rest of our calculations. I have attached a post class test for today, with the solution, but I think that four of the questions relate to risk free rates, which we have not covered yet. So, if you want to wait until Wednesday’s class, you might have an easier time.
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1/30/25 | By now, you should have a company picked, and if so, you can start thinking about at least the first piece of your discount rate calculation, a risk free rate. Currency is a choice and you can choose to value your company in any currency, though the currency in which your financials are reported is a good place to start. Of course, if that currency happens to have a 100% inflation rate, you may rethink your choice. Next week, we will start with how to estimate a riskfree rate in any currency, and if you want to get a jump on that process, try to find a ten-year government bond rate in the currency of your choice. That is of course trivial, if you are working in US dollars, since the 10-year treasury bond rate is available almost everywhere (including on the entry page to the Wall Street Journal). If you are working in Vietnamese Dong, this will be trickier, but this site is pretty good on that front:
If you cannot find your currency on this list, don’t worry. There are only about forty currencies with government bonds, and we will address how to estimate the riskfree rate for currencies with no government bonds.
This is the 12th or 13th email for the class. If you have not been receiving these emails (which means that you are reading this in the chronicles), it is worth noting that I don’t keep an email list for the class. I use the Google groups that Stern creates. In theory, students registered for the class should be on Albert (the NYU official registration/grading site), Brightspace and Google Groups, and the three should be synced, but this is a university. What should be true in theory is not always the case in practice. I can do very little to alter the Google groups. If you are finding yourself locked out of the email list, start with IT, and if they won’t help, I will figure out a way to add you in. If you are a non-Stern student, and have an email address that does not end in@stern.nyu.edu, note that you were assigned a stern email address when you joined this class, and you should be able to find that address. Here is what I got from IT when I asked:
Since you are teaching a Stern course, all your students, exchange and non-Stern, are provided with a Stern account and Gmail.
You can have them all head over to 'start.stern.nyu.edu' to activate their account. You can also provide them our website in regards to how to access their emails:
Hope that helps.
Finally, I am glad to see many of you are trying your hand at the S&P 500 index valuation (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ICGB1xcqQHYsiltPq7c2MNbRkuoJlpadpWoaVWdJoiE/edit?usp=sharing). The shared spreadsheet now has about 57 valuations. Let’s see if we can get that number to a couple of hundred by the end of the week. |
1/31/25 | I described valuation as a craft, where just when you think you have got things nailed down, the market throws you a surprise. This week’s big story has been DeepSeek, and while its initial impact has been on market prices, the bigger question is how it will change not just the AI business, but other businesses that interact with it. With the caveat (and I mentioned this to my corporate finance class as well) that I know far less about computed chips than I do potato chips, I decided to put down my novice thoughts about how I see DeepSeek playing out in markets. What started as a short note expanded on my flight from New York to San Diego into a longer note (the nice thing about writing in planes is that you have no distractions, and UnitedWiFi is so crappy that paying money for it is a waste). The post just went up a few minutes ago, typos and all (I would love to claim that I leave the typos in to show that it was not written by my bot)
As I said, I don’t have the answers, but this is my take, and I would love to hear yours. (The post includes an advance look at your valuation of the week, which will be Nvidia)
A few quick notes. The first is that I did put up an a tools webcast today.on collecting data. The link is below: https://www.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/podcasts/Webcasts/gettingdata.mp4 Second, for those of you who have already valued the S&P 500 (the first valuation of the week), thank you! For those of you who have been putting it off, there is still time to add your input to the crowd:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ICGB1xcqQHYsiltPq7c2MNbRkuoJlpadpWoaVWdJoiE/edit?usp=sharing
If you scroll to the right, and towards the top, you will see the average and median values that the crowd has estimated. When you value a company or a market index, it is good to disagree with other people’s stories, as long as you are willing to replace them with your own. My Tesla post in January 2023 evoked a lot of responses and I wrote a post about disagreements that make sense and disagreements that violate first principles:
For those of you who are late to this party, we have run out of beer and chips, but you can read all of the emails that I have sent so far in the class:
Finally, I know that some of you are having trouble finding groups for the project work, there does seem to be a critical mass (19 people) on the orphan sheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10e7v7gCwcMNA7olNJQaLZshiacUjf4BKkp6dUah1pXk/edit?usp=sharing) Why not reach out to other people on the list (their email addresses are in the list) and see if you can create groups of your own?
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2/1/25 | 1. First things, first. Your newsletter is attached for the week.
If you did not realize that there was first one, you can find them here:
https://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar//New_Home_Page/newsletters.html
Click on your class.
2. Company choice & groups: I was checking the valuation master sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uX8W1Eu8f9B3dEVcUfJLkurMGbmb86IwcS9BFSvSPLc/edit?gid=0#gid=0
I notice that a lot of you have not picked a company yet. If you have already and have just not entered the company name (not symbol), please do so. Do not enter any numbers yet for the DCF value or price per share. That’s coming in future weeks.
3. Orphans up for adoption: If any of you are in groups that would like an extra person, please check this list:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10e7v7gCwcMNA7olNJQaLZshiacUjf4BKkp6dUah1pXk/edit?gid=0#gid=0
If you are on this list, but you have found a group, please take yourself off the list. If you are on the list, and not found a group, reach out to others on the list, and see if you can create a group.
Attachments: Issue 2 (February 1) |
2/2/25 | No email. (I blame United wifi... It stinks) |
2/3/25 | We started the class by completing a big picture perspective on discounted cash flow models, noting that while the way we get cash flows, growth rates and discount rates will vary, they are not only tied together with the same principles but require internal consistency. We started then with a discussion of risk and how it plays out in discount rates, before embarking on an assessment of riskfree rates, and with a discussion on whether the Fed sets rates and how to get riskfree rates in currencies where the government has default risk. I did mention, in passing, the possibility of negative riskfree rates and I do have a post on that:
If you want to see my updated perspective on risk free rates, try my blog post from this week::
Some of this post covers what we will do next week in class, but it is still a good big picture perspective. Also, the post class test and solution for today are attached.
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2/4/25 | In this week’s valuation of the week, I am focusing on Nvidia, a company that I have the most selfish of reasons to value, which is that I have owned shares in it since 2018, and have been a beneficiary of the AI boom. I would start with this post from 2023, just as the AI boom was taking form, where I grappled with the AI market, as seen then.
I would then move on to my 2024 post on the Nvidia valuation, where I try to value the AI story, and explain why, even though I found Nvidia to be overvalued,, after a bad earnings report:
You can follow this up with the post that I did on DeepSeek at the end of last week, where I look at how DeepSeek changes the AI story, and by extension the valuation of Nvidia:
In the context of that post, I revalued Nvidia, and my updated valuation of the company is at the link below:
Here is what I want you to focus on. There are many pieces to the Nvidia story, but I would like you to look at four of them:
1. AI chip market size: In my January 2025 valuation, I reassessed my total market size for AI chips to be $300 billion (down from $500 billion), because of how I see DeepSeek affecting the end game for AI. You are welcome to disagree, from believing that DeepSeek will devastate the AI market profitability (which will make the market for AI chips even smaller), that it will have no effect (leave the market at $500 billion) or even that it makes the market bigger (with a market size greater than $500 billion)
2. Nvidia Market Share of Chip Market: Nvidia currently has an 80% market share of the market, and over time, while competition will increase, it will remain a dominant player (with a 60% market share). You may believe that this assumption is too optimistic (giving them a share less than 60%) or too pessimistic (share >60%)
3. Nvidia’s operating margin: Nvidia has nosebleed profit margin - close to 80% gross margins and 70% operating margins. I have assumed that there are three forces that will bring margins down - increased competition, attempts by TSMC to claim a larger share o the spoils and pushback from its four biggest customers (all big tech companies), but that the target margin will stay at 60%, since it is a design company.
4. Nvidia’s cost of capital: I use Nvidia’s characteristics on risk, debt mix and operating risk to arrive at a starting cost of capital of 11.79%, which I scaled down over time to a median cost of capital for US companies, You may be more optimistic than me about operating risk, and given them the median cost of capital (close to 8.5%) today.
Change what you feel comfortable changing, using my spreadsheet, and then report your estimated value in the Google shared spreadsheet below:
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2/5/25 | We started the class by completing the last loose ends on risk free rates, before turning our attention to equity risk premiums and what they purport to measures. We looked at historical risk premiums and their limits and then extended the discussion to estimate equity risk premiums for countries without much historical data. If you want to look at the historical returns on stocks, bills, bonds, real estate and gold in the United States, you can get the historical data at:
We will come back talk about alternatives to historical risk premiums in the coming sessions.
If you are interested in seeing what the equity risk premiums look like, by country, take a look at the spreadsheet at the link below:
On the riskfree rate front, I have done many posts on why I think the Fed’s power to set interest rates is overrated. You may want to try these two:
Attached are the post class test and solution for today. Finally, I have also attached the spreadsheets with the latest sovereign CDS spreads and ratings to this email. Until next time!
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2/6/25 | By now, you should have a company picked, and if so, you can start thinking about at least the first two pieces of your discount rate calculation, a risk free rate and an equity risk premium.
Finally, if you are still groupless, let me know, and I will see if I can connect you with a group. For that to happen That is about it for today’s nag, but I will be posting valuation tools webcasts tomorrow, on riskfree rates and equity risk premiums.
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2/8/25 | 1. It is time for some news (not really), but this is the third newsletter for the class.
2. Company choice & groups: I was checking the valuation master sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uX8W1Eu8f9B3dEVcUfJLkurMGbmb86IwcS9BFSvSPLc/edit?usp=sharing
I notice that we are moving in the right direction, but it you have not picked a company, please do. If you have already and have just not entered the company name (not symbol), please do that.
3. My data update posts: I have a verbosity problem, and my data update are long and often boring (not my intent, but it happens..) I did post my sixth data update for 2025, and if you want to get a quick review of both my corporate finance and valuation classes, the posts contain that review, with update data. My sixth update is particularly relevant to what we will be talking about in the class for the next two weeks, and if you can find the time (especially if Superbowl ads are boring) to read it, it would help:
Attachments: Issue 3 (February 8) |
2/9/25 | How’s the Super Bowl Party shaping up? While you enjoy yourself, you may want to think about valuation questions. For instance, how much would you pay, if you were a network, for the rights to carry the Super Bowl in perpetuity? (Think of the questions you have to address to do this valuation, starting with whether the football can outlast its CTE challenge and continuing on to whether technology will allow watchers to completely bypass ads…) And if you are a company built around subscribers, say Amazon Prime or Netflix, would you outbid the ad-driven networks because you will use the Super Bowl to sign up new subscribers? As for the ads, will any of them match to the crypto ads that starred Larry David and Matt Damon in the Super Bowl a couple of years ago? And what does the Taylor Swift presence add to the value of an NFL franchise (not just the Chiefs)? Now that I have sowed those seeds that may prevent you from watch Patrick Mahomes throw the ball with his left hand while lying on his back (how does he do that?), a preview of he week to come...
This week, we will turn our attention tomorrow to implied equity risk premiums, a forward-looking and dynamic way to estimate equity risk premiums and then to betas, and alternative to beta as a risk measure and regression betas. It would help if you are able to find a beta estimate for your company (from a service like Yahoo! Finance or a Bloomberg terminal, if you can find one) and bring it to class with you. |
2/10/25 | In the session today, we started by doing a brief test on the relationship between prices and risk premiums. We spent the rest of the class about the dynamics of implied equity risk premiums and what makes them go up, down or stay unchanged. We then moved to cross market comparisons, first by comparing the ERP to bond default spreads, then bringing in real estate risk premiums and then extending the concept to comparing ERPs across countries. Finally, I made the argument that you should not stray too far from the current implied premium, when valuing individual companies, because doing so will make your end valuation a function of what you think about the market and the company. If you have strong views on the market being over valued or under valued, it is best to separate it from your company valuation. I am attaching the excel spreadsheet that I used to compute the implied ERP at the start of February 2025. Play with it when you get a chance. Post class test and solution attached. |
2/11/25 | For this week, I thought I would switch gears and value a very different company from the last few. I look at Aramco, a company that became the most valuable public company (in terms of market cap) over night, when it had its IPO in 2019. The place to start this valuation is with the Aramco IPO, a document written by bankers for bankers, and hence thoroughly boring:
You can follow up with two posts that I wrote at the time of the IPO:
Those posts include my valuation of Aramco, putting its value at about $1.6 trillion, roughly where it went public.
Clearly, much water has passed under this bridge in the last two years, and I have the updated numbers for Aramco through 2025 at the link below;
I have updated my Aramco valuation to reflect these updated numbers.:
As you look at the what if questions, I would like you to focus on just two variables (my advice is you leave the rest alone):
These inputs can change to reflect what you think will happen to fossil fuels or the earth. If you believe that fossil fuel usage can be cut sharply, you can set the growth rate to a negative number and the number of years to less than 50. In short, this is about as pure a play as you can get on fossil fuels as you can get.
In short, this is a valuation where the differences we have are really about country/political risk and fossil fuels, not the company. if you feel up to it, please do go enter your updated valuations for Aramco, with the updated market cap of just over two trillion into the Google shared spreadsheet:
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2/12/25 | In today’s class, we started by reviewing the pitfalls of regression betas. They are backward-looking, noisy and subject to game playing. We went on to talk about bottom up betas, focusing on defining comparable firms and expanding the sample. I did make a big deal about bottom up betas, but may have still not convinced you or left you hazy about some of the details. If so, I thought it might be simpler to just send you a document that I put together on the top ten questions that you may have or get asked about bottom up betas. I think it covers pretty much all of the mechanics of the estimation process, but I am sure that I have missed a few things.
We also initiated the discussion of the cost of debt, defining it to be the rate at which companies can borrow long term, today and in the next session, we will complete our discussion of cost of capital. After that, cash flows, here we come!.
Finally, this is Wednesday, before a long weekend, and I thought that to fill your boredom, you would like to do a weekly challenge. This week’s challenge is attached
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2/13/25 | First things first. By now, I hope that you are in a group and have picked a company. If so, please complete the process by going to the master spreadsheet for the class and input your company name:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uX8W1Eu8f9B3dEVcUfJLkurMGbmb86IwcS9BFSvSPLc/edit?usp=sharing
If you have not, please don’t be surprised if I reach out to you and ask you what’s going on.
At this stage in the class, you should be able to complete three basic tasks related to discount rates, estimating risk free rates, equity risk premiums and betas. Along the way, you have to get comfortable with how to estimate implied equity risk premiums, and to further you on that path, I will be posting valuation tools webcasts on estimating implied equity risk premiums and company exposure to equity risk. I know that the numbers will start mounting up and that some of you are building or are planning to build your own spreadsheets. For your sake and mine, I would push you not to build your own spreadsheet and use mine instead (or do both, to see if you get similar numbers):
It is not because I have good spreadsheet skills. Far from it, since I have never used an Excel macro and use only bare bones functions. It is because this spreadsheet has
I created a video guide last year, on how to use the spreadsheet, and it is at the link below:
I am sorry if my voice sounds ragged, but I had just got off a long flight and my throat has been scratchy for a couple of days.
This spreadsheet is also versatile and will work for any non-financial service company, small or large, US or emerging markets, young growth or in decline. I have used it to value companies that range the spectrum from Uber in 2013, when it was a young start up, to Bed, Bath and Beyond last year. You are welcome to add detail to the spreadsheet, as long as you don’t break it. Thus, for Peloton, you can break revenues down into equipment and subscriptions, and for NVIdia into Ai chips and the rest of the chip business. if you feel that there are different stories for each one that you want to tell. Just add tow rows on to of the valuation output page, and make them the revenues from each segment. In fact, the minute you start using it, it is your model, not mine, and you are welcome to claim ownership of it, if that makes you happy. Finally, my push to get you to use my spreadsheet is also purely selfish . This spreadsheet is easy for me to check, since I know exactly where to look to see how your assumptions are playing out and the mistakes that you might have made at the input stage.
If you have a financial service company (bank, investment bank, insurance company), the spreadsheet above will not work well. Instead, try this spreadsheet:
It is a dividend discount model, but one with enough flex built into it that you can use it to value a growing bank that may not currently be paying dividends. A little later in the class, I will offer you a variant of a free cash flow equity model built just for banks, but for the moment, the dividend discount model will do.
Finally, if you have dropped the class and are still getting emails, I am truly sorry but the fault lies elsewhere. I use the Google group alias emails that the school maintains for each class, and while in theory it should be syncing with the registration page (Albert), it often does not. If you are truly bothered by it, please talk to IT, but you know how conversations with IT usually go, right?
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2/14/25 | This week, I have two webcasts, one on the implied equity risk premium and another on the mechanics of estimating bottom up betas.
1. Implied Equity Risk Premiums
Webcast: https://www.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/podcasts/Webcasts/ImpliedERP.mp4
The supporting materials are below: Presentation: https://www.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/pdfiles/eqnotes/webcasts/ERP/ImpliedERP.ppt Implied ERP spreadsheet (from February 2013): https://www.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/pc/implprem/ERPFeb13.xls S&P on buybacks (from earlier this year): https://www.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/pdfiles/eqnotes/webcasts/ERP/SP500buyback.pdf S&P 500 Earnings: https://www.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/pdfiles/eqnotes/webcasts/ERP/SP500eps.xls If you are intrigued or curious or even just bored, I have attached the most recent implied ERP calculation from the start of February 2024, and you can try updating it for where the index and rates are now.
2. Bottom up betas
I use United Technologies to illustrate the process and I go through how to pull up companies from Capital IQ. Even if you don't get a chance to watch it after the quiz, it may perhaps be useful later on. Here are the links:
United Technologies 10K: http://www.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/pdfiles/cfovhds/webcasts/Bottomupbeta/UT10K.pdf
Spreadsheet to help compute bottom up beta: http://www.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/pdfiles/cfovhds/webcasts/Bottomupbeta/bottomupbeta.xls
The last spreadsheet has built into it the industry averages that I have computed for different sectors in the US in 2015. You can get the updated version from 2024 here:
It uses the US industry average, but you can replace them with the global, European, Japanese, Chinese, Indian and Emerging Market beta averages, which are all are on my webpage.
I know that the quiz is not until March 3rd, but just in case you get the urge to start working on these quizzes (you should be able to do problems 1 and 2 on most of the recent quizzes), I have a webcast that I have put together where I take you through the material that will be covered on the quiz. It is about 35 minutes long and it may help you get ready for the quiz (or not)…
The past quizzes are at the links below:
Practice quizzes: http://www.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/pdfiles/eqexams/quiz1.pdf
Practice quiz solutions: http://www.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/pdfiles/eqexams/quiz1sol.xlsx
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2/15/25 | I hope that you are enjoying the long weekend. It is a good time to catch up. If you have picked a company, it is time to start digging and estimating numbers (risk free rate, equity risk premium, beta etc.). In the meantime, the newsletter for this week is attached. Next week, we have class on both Tuesday and Wednesday. Attachments: Issue 4 (February 15) |
2/15/25 | As you can see from the heading, this is an email to all my classes, and it is about how to collect data, without getting overwhelmed by it. In particular, I want to focus on, and provide some help on data from three sources: the company itself (annual reports, financial filings), Capital IQ (a database of all publicly traded companies, with immense amounts of accounting and market data on each) and the physical Bloomberg terminals that are in the business school:
1. The Company: About 75% of the information, perhaps more, still come from annual reports and financial filings made by the company and the best source for this information is in the original documents (rather than on online sources, no matter how sophisticated). I usually start by finding the company’s webpage, going to the investor section and finding the most recent annual and quarterly report, as well as the analogous financial filings (10K and 10Q for US companies). Download them in pdf format, because you can then use the search box to search for the data you need in the pdf. (Warning: Do not read the annual report, until you are ready in terms of what data you want from the report)
2. Capital IQ: I have sent you many reminders that you have access to S&P Capital IQ. It is one of the premier global corporate datasets, and given how expensive it is to access, we are lucky to have access at Stern.
If you have not already done so, access Cap IQ, find your company, and it is pretty self-explanatory. I just download into excel the income statement, the balance sheets, the cash flow statement and the segment data, and I replace the default time period (which is the last few years with the maximum period, which can 30 years or more for some companies). You now have all of the historical data that you will need for your company. While you are in Capital IQ, you can also check out the industry grouping that your company is in, screen for other companies like it (by industry group, geography, market cap etc.) and download the data you might need on those companies (I would start with betas, market capitalizations, total debt and cash, but you may need to come back to this list again later in the class). I put together a YouTube video on how to do this, if you are interested:
3. Bloomberg terminal: Find the Bloomberg terminals in the building; for MBAs, there are four on the fourth floor of KMEC, and for undergraduates, there are four in Tisch 316 (accessed through 305). Since these are scarce, and hogging the machines is not a good idea, I thought I would create a guide specifying not only what you need to print off for your company, as well as where to find data on those print outs. I used BP as my company, and the print out should reflect what the pages should look like now for your company:
You will note that there are only six Bloomberg groupings you should print out, ten pages, in all.
HDS: Just the first page
BETA: One page
DES: Five pages
DDIS: One page
CRPR: One page
FA: One page
If you play this right, it should take you 10-15 minutes for your company, and you should do it as soon as you can. I know that this is my second email to you today, but to compensate, I will skip emailing you tomorrow and day after. See.. I am a compassionate person. Attachments: Capital IQ Access, Bloomberg Guide |
2/18/25 | In today’s class, we started with the cost of debt and computing debt ratios for companies and how to deal with hybrid securities.. If you are interested in getting updated default spreads (on the cheap or free), try the Federal Reserve site in St. Louis:
These are spreads on indices created by rating, updated daily. Neat, right? For an even more detailed albeit less user-friendly space, try the NAIC and once you are on the site, go to search and type in F&G current spreads. The most updated version I found looks like this:
They update every month, though it takes them about six weeks after the month ends to do this.
We then moved on to earnings and cash flow’s and after a introduction to cash flows, I promised you a link to the post on Microsoft where I talk about the differences in free cash flows:
We ended the class by noting that leases are debt, and while accountants should always treated them as such, they came to their senses in 2019.
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2/18/25 | As some of you may have undoubtedly read in the news or heard, Starbucks is going through a tough time on multiple dimensions:
1. Corporate Governance/Management: Starbucks is struggling with its corporate governance, cycling through CEOs, with Howard Schultz lurking in the background.
2. Business Model: The story that has brought Starbucks as far as it has seems to have broken down, and there is no easy way back.
3. Politics: For fair or unfair reasons, Starbucks seems to have been caught in the headlights of the politics of the Middle East.
Not surprisingly, the market has turned on the stock, with the stock price about where it was four years ago, though it has recovered from its lows in September 2024.
And to top it all off, the Chestnut Praline latte is no longer in season.
The big question, for Starbucks as a business and for investors in the company, is whether the story is broken and Starbucks is entering into decline, or whether this is a temporary problem that can be fixed by adding new offerings, changing store setup or entering new geographies. I may be wrong, but I think that the Starbucks story is broken, as Howard Schultz’s original story of a cafe culture with customized offerings has run its course, stymied by saturation in its core market (US) and by intense completion in its second largest market (China), and a COVID shift in customer behavior to online ordering that is wreaking havoc on baristas and the cafe model. (Next time, you go into a Starbucks, especially during rush hour, check out how many people are waiting to pick up online orders and how few are actually staying in the store. I wrote about this and two other companies (Walgreens and Intel) that are also facing the aging cliff.
I have updated the valuation that you will see in that post to reflect two additional quarters of data that I have for the company:
Updated 2025 financials for Starbucks: https://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/pc/blog/Starbucksfinancials2025.xls
Updated 2025 valuation for Starbucks: https://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/pc/blog/Starbucks2025.xlsx
If you have been intimidated by the companies that we have valued so far because you cannot quite grasp a market (the first valuation of the S&P 500), are not tech savvy (Nvidia) and are not an oil person (Aramco), Starbucks is a good company to started on your voyage of understanding the connection between story and numbers, and one that you can relate to personally. If you try your hand at the Starbucks valuation (using my spreadsheet to construct your valuation, please enter your estimate of value for the company into the shared Google spreadsheet below:
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2/19/25 | Hi,
In this session, we began by continued with our discussion of why we capitalize lease commitments and R&D expenses, and how they affect valuation inputs. We continued our discussion of cash flows, by first putting to rest some final issues on earnings, including the tax rate to use in computing after-tax cash flows and dealing with money losing companies. In the process, we did look at what to do about accounting fraud, and while the answer is not much, there may be a role for forensic accounting. To be honest, most forensic accounting books are designed for valuation morticians, but here are a couple that you may find useful:
Finally, if you want to take apart a company’s financial statements, looking for clues on profitability, you might find my most recent data update post useful:
Post-class test, solution and weekly challenge attached.
Attachments: Post class test and solution |
2/20/25 | I am going to skip the nagging next week, since you have a quiz a week from Monday (March 3), and your time will be better spent preparing for it. Again, remember that understanding something in the abstract in the classroom is very different from being able to do the same thing in practice. Thus, there is no substitute for working through past quizzes, getting stuck (as you will sooner or later), figuring out how to get unstuck and solving problems. Watch the quiz review along the way and don’t forget to test your self too. Here is a rough guideline on how to approach the past quizzes:
There was a problem with the links to the quizzes I sent you in the last email. Here are the correct versions:
Practice quizzes: https://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/pdfiles/eqexams/quiz1.pdf
Practice quiz solutions: http://www.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/pdfiles/eqexams/quiz1sol.xlsx
The review session links are below:
My advice on the quizzes is that you start with the most recent quizzes and work backwards, and with time constraints in mind, here is what I would recommendL
On the earlier quizzes, you will notice that I don’t provide an ERP in problems, and that 5.5% shows up in the answer. That is because I expected people to look up the ERP in their lecture notes, and it was roughly 5.5% then, but I have learned my lesson the hard way and provide the ERP in the problem in recent year. Also, some of the earlier quizzes have questions on growth and that will not be part of your first quiz. So, pick your battles wisely and don’t freak out. Incidentally, if you have any trouble with downloads from my webpage, switch browsers and see if it does the trick |
2/21/25 | I know that you have big and fun plans for the weekend (like preparing for the quiz) and it is my job to ruin them. If you feel the urge to catch up on your project, I am going to give you the capacity to do so by posting not one, not two, but three in-practice webcasts:
Finally, if you are having trouble downloading these or any other file links that I sent, the culprit may be your browser (especially if you are using Google Chrome). Switch browsers and the downloads should work. I would say I am sorry but this is a problem that showed up a year ago and I have spent tens of hours of time making changes to the links on my site, to no avail. Until next time!
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2/22/25 | We are officially about a third of the way through the class, and the newsletter for the week is attached. Have a great weekend! Attachments: Issue 5 (February 22) |
2/23/25 | This week in class, we will finish our discussion of cashflows first, and then move on to talking about growth, starting with historical growth before looking at how (badly) analysts estimate growth and why growth should be tied to fundamentals. During the course of the week, I hope you have a chance to start preparing for the first quiz. I won’t send you the links to the past quizzes and review sessions again (since I have sent them to you a few times already), but I will have extended office hours this week:
In the meantime, please, please do pick a company and get started valuing the company with my spreadsheets:
For non-financial service firms: https://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/pc/fcffsimpleginzu.xlsx
For financial service firms:
https://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/pc/divginzu.xlsx |
2/24/25 | In this session, we started by completing our discussion of FCFE and how it varies over a corporate life cycle, and then looked at three approaches to estimating growth - a historical growth rate, where you look at past growth, outsourcing growth to analysts or managers and sustainable growth, where you tie growth to how much a company is reinvesting and how well it is reinvesting. Ultimately, you have to find the right mix of historical data, industry trends and your assessment of the company in forecasting growth, and letting uncertainty stop you is not an option. We will continue with the discussion of growth on Wednesday, but the first quiz will cover only up to cash flows.
I have also had a few people reach out to me about the post class tests and solutions and past weekly challenges. You can find all of them on the webcast page for the class:
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2/25/25 | First things first! The quiz is next Monday in the first 30 minutes of class, and there will be class afterwards. If you signed up with the Moses Center for extra time and/or accommodations, you will be taking your exam at the Moses Center. They have the exam already, and you should be all set. On a different note, today is the day that you get the valuation of the week. Rather than hit with you another company valuation, I thought I would try something lighter.So, let’s have some fun. I have always been a Star Wars fan, and like other fans, I was a little worried when Disney bought Lucas Films (and with it the rights to the Star Wars franchise) for $4 billion a few years ago. Disney was explicit about its plans at the time, and said that it planned to produce three major Star Wars movies, continuing the story, and three side stories (like Rogue One) filling in history. I went to see Force One in December 2015 and wrote this post on my blog about what I thought the value of Star Wars was at the time;
I assigned a value of almost $10 billion to the franchise, with a big chunk coming from the side products (toys, software, apps) coming from the franchise. You can download the spreadsheet that contains the valuation here:
When I wrote the post, Force Awakens had been out in theaters only a few days and I estimated box office revenue of $2 billion for the movie. Rogue One, of course, had not been released yet and I estimated revenues of $1 billion. Force Awakens is now one for the history books, with global revenues of just over $2 billion and Rogue One crossed the $1 billion threshold.
Updated box office for Force Awakens: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=starwars7.htm
Updated box office for Rogue One: http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Rogue-One-A-Star-Wars-Story#tab=summary
In addition, the eighth Star Wars movie has come and gone, with the Last Jedi, as has the next add on movie on Hans Solo:
Updated box office for The Last Jedi: https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=starwars8.htm
Updated box office for Solo: https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=untitledhansolostarwarsanthologyfilm.htm
The final movie in this trilogy, The Rise of Skywalker came out in 2019. You can get the updated box office numbers for all of these movies here:
In addition, it looks like Star Wars is going to be central to Disney Plus making inroads into the streaming business. The Mandalorian was the most-watched series three years ago on Disney Streaming and has been followed by other series, well watched but very expensive to make. That adds a value stream that did not exist a few years ago. Armed with this additional information, try to reestimate the value of the Star Wars franchise. It may be only tweaks but give it your best shot. And since this is a Star Wars post, might as well end with some good advice from Yoda: Have fun, you must!
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2/26/25 | In today’s session, we continued with our discussion of sustainable growth, by looking at growth in net income and operating income, using versions of the reinvestment rate and accounting returns for each. We then moved on to building cash flows in a general case, starting with revenue growth, moving on to operating margins and reinvestment, with a sales to capital ratio. With each, we looked the determinants, with Airbnb as an illustrative example. In the final part of the class, we started the discussion of terminal value, by noting that using a terminal multiple undercuts an intrinsic value by making it a forward pricing. Next session, after the quiz, we will complete the discussion of terminal value. I have also included a weekly challenge, if you are in the mood for one, on sustainable growth. |
2/27/25 | I seldom get a chance to nag on two fronts at the same time, but this email may do it. We are done with the cost of capital calculation in class, and it is an important part of both your project and the upcoming quiz. While nothing in the calculation is complex, there are so many moving parts, that it is easy to lose sight of the end game. So, if you are preparing for the quiz or working on your project, here are some quick review points:
In doing all of this, the overriding rule in discounted cash flow valuation is to remember to match up your discount rate to your cash flows - in terms of currency, claim holders (cost of equity for cashflows to equity and cost of capital for cash flows to the firm), risk and nominal/real.
As you work through past quizzes, please do try not to check the solutions too soon. Part of what I hope you get out of the practice quizzes is coping mechanisms that you can use when you get stuck, to work through the problem on your own. I am in Portugal for the next couple of days, but will make it back to New York by mid afternoon on Sunday to have office hours from 5 pm - 7 pm that day on zoom. https://nyu.zoom.us/j/99520086506 |
2/28/25 | I am testing your patience at this point, but I am going to go on anyway. In the session after the quiz (yes, there was class after the quiz), we looked at the link between fundamentals and growth, and in particular, at how much of a role accounting returns (ROE and ROIC) have on assessing both growth rates and the value of growth. The scariest aspect of these numbers is that they are entirely driven by accounting choices, which can create biases. In this webcast, I look at the process of estimating accounting returns, using Walmart as my example:
Webcast: https://www.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/podcasts/Webcasts/ROIC.mp4
Walmart 10K (2013): https://www.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/pdfiles/cfovhds/webcasts/ROIC/walmart10K.pdf Walmart 10K (2012): https://www.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/pdfiles/cfovhds/webcasts/ROIC/walmart10Klastyear.pdf Spreadsheet: https://www.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/pdfiles/cfovhds/webcasts/ROIC/walmartreturncalculator.xls An updated version of the return calculator is attached. In case, you are interested in learning more about returns on capital, you should first seek out a psychiatric evaluation, and if you pass, try reading this awesomely boring paper of mine on the topic:
If nothing else, I can guarantee you that if you have sleep problems, this paper will get rid of them.
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3/1/25 | First things first. As you know, the first quiz is on Monday in the first 30 minutes of class. Since it will be incredibly cramped in Paulson, there will be a second room for taking the quiz. Check your last name, and please go to the right room:
If your last name starts with Go to
A -J KMEC 2-60
K -Z Paulson
There will be class after the quiz. Also, there will be a zoom session on Sunday from 5 pm - 7 pm, and the zoom link is below:
Join URL: https://nyu.zoom.us/j/99520086506
Finally, the newsletter for the week is attached.
Attachment:Issue 6 (March 1) |
3/2/25 | I know that there is some confusion about the quiz ttomorrow and I take the brunt of the responsibility for this development, as some of the rules on the webpage for the class reflect times past, not that long ago, when people bought or printed physical copies of the lecture notes and used abacuses to do calculations. So, at the risk of creating more confusion, here are the final rules (and since I have pope-like status on this front, these override all existing rules and can be amended and altered only by me):
1. Quiz Logistics: The quiz will be in-person in the first 30 minutes of class (1.30 - 2 pm) tomorrow, in 2-60 for everyone in the class. If you have signed up with the Moses Center for additional time or other accommodations, please go to the Moses Center to take your quiz. There will be class after the quiz. So, if you finish early, you can take a quick break but come back for the rest of the class. I will try to make it riveting!
2. Quiz Coverage The quiz will cover everything through cash flows (intro packet + Packet 1 through page 160), but will not include growth. Note that some of the earlier quizzes do have questions about growth that you can ignore for this quiz,
3. Quiz rules: It is open book, open notes, but remember that with only 30 minutes to do the quiz, you cannot afford to be looking for equations or answers to questions in the notes during the quiz. Since many of you have your slides on tablets or on a PC, you can use either device to look at your notes, but you cannot use Excel, Numbers or any other laptop tool in your work. Please bring your calculators (physical or digital) to the quiz with you, and if you have your calculator on your device, you can use it, but just as a calculator.
4. Quiz work: The quiz will be four pages long, with one question on each page, and space below to answer the question. Show your work in that section, rather than on scrap paper,, since I will be grading the quizzes (don’t harass the teaching fellows, since they bear no responsibility) and I give partial credit. Since I want to give you credit for things you know, showing your work in a neat and orderly manner.
5. Missing the Quiz: If you will be missing the quiz, let me know ahead of the quiz. While you may not receive an acknowledgement, I will check after the quiz to make sure that I have heard from you ahead of the quiz, if you missed the quiz. If you do miss the quiz, the 10% will get reallocated over the rest of the exams in the class. So, if you miss quiz 1, your second and third quiz will be worth 12% apiece, and your final will be worth 36%. You will also lose the option of having your worst quiz score replaced by the average.
Finally, if you are having trouble opening the past quiz links, try a different browser. A final reminder that the zoom session will be at 5 pm today, and I will record it. |